Am I wrong in thinking England didn't exist then?? Isn't this the kind of sloppy lazy terms used by the media and often historians when talking on TV or radio that drives you mad???!!! It doesn't mean anything either - even if they're talking/writing in terms of England currently, are they really meaning just England or again being lazy and sloppy and mean Britain or the British Isles?
I was also watching the Channel 4 Pioneer House the series and explores the history behind the project, quote " It takes you back to the early 17th century, and reveals why the original pioneers left England." Of course they didn't leave from anywhere else in Britain did they (rhetorical). This weeks they had a visit from some "Native Americans" played my real "Native Americans" who made it quite clear to those acting as pioneers for the series that they still felt strongly about the way their land was taken from them by the original pioneers.
The programme write up suggests the USA was built on oppression of the native peoples who suffered a disintegration of their culture, if not by death due to the spread of disease, through the introduction of alcohol and the teaching European ways, especially Christianity [ and the US worry about Islam?]. Secondly it was built on slavery and racial segregation when they decided to kidnap African people from their homeland and brutalize them into doing work they didn't want to do. Really the 4th of July is nothing to celebrate about, but marked a very dark period for many of the ancestors of US citizens .
What are you saying that most people don't know where the British Isles are?
Actually, I suppose the word England is easier to comprehend for those with a more neanderthal education.
No, you get me wrong.
For the more geographically challenged 'England' implies the bottom right hand bit of the map, with the Welsh and Scottish bits not included. If one were to ask Mr (or Mrs) Average where, I dunno, Berkshire was on a map, I think the majority would be hard pushed to do it. So by using 'England' as a geographic point for reference it's probably easier for them to visualise the location being discussed, if you see what I mean.
What is more interesting however after having travelled a lot is the the number of peoples you meet who are in the same position, denied and disenfranchised by an uncaring ruling group.
I always think its great when i discover the world is more complex than first thought.
pfishwick; i have never once in my life tried to deny the English exist as a people, on more occasions than i can remember i have encountered English folk who have tried to deny my right to describe myself as Cornish instead of English. The Cornish have fought an up hill struggle to be allowed to record themselves as Cornish and it is still not a done deal.
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