"a crude colonial power in decline"

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"a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by kbcl1 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:28 pm

Utterly delicious, each and every one:

"Falklands hero’s son becomes Argentine":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntine.html

"No wonder we can't even topple a tin-pot gangster like Gaddafi: Invincible, pride of the Falklands, is broken up in knacker's yard"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ddafi.html

"Budget cuts leave UK ‘unable to hold Falklands'":

http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/14/uk-c ... ral-warns/

"Bidding for HMS Ark Royal has been extended"

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/ ... _1_2782733

The Islas Malvinas - named after a Breton and the property of Argentina.

The Falklands, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - not in my name and not for much longer given the English decline.
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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by 24-7 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:00 am

I'm not sure if you're using the above to show your backing of the Falklands war but it would be ironic if so.

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by P_Trembath » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:20 am

As I remember it, it was not just a case of the Islands were "ours", but, and more to the point, it was a case of the people who actually wanted to be "British", as opposed to Argentinian. The wish of the people, in my opinion, is what should be paramount.

That the British government is no longer capable of defending those wishes is lamentable, is a disgrace, and not a source of joy. That the larger world, the UN, would probably not step in to defend those wishes is equally disgraceful.

It is up to the people to choose what they wish to be, gloating over political events that they, the people who live on the islands, have no control over is "bad form".
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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by Cormorant » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:38 am

Utterly delicious, each and every one:

How sad that anyone would describe the "death" of a ship as delicious.

How sad that anyone would quote political propaganda, from a nation with a record of torturing and killing its own citizens.

Sad.

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by Anselm » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:12 am

Agree with Mike and PT. And, while talking of islanders who are British subjects, let's not forget the Chagossians.
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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by Marhak » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:41 am

As all too many have, Tim. Yes, the Chagossians and the appalling treatment they've suffered at the hands of the Westminster government, just so that the US can have an Indian Ocean base at Diego Garcia. This dreadful story is one that really needs to be shouted.

The Falklands, if invaded again, cannot be defended as in 1982. British military cuts - most importantly, the phasing out of the Harrier - have seen to that. If Argentina chooses to walk in again, there's nothing we can do about it now.

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by kbcl1 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:42 am

The English Empire's decline is to be applauded !

The actions of a brave man who has faced reality:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntine.html

But still the English Imperial System with its OBE, MBE and so on will try to convince its subjects that it matters and has a 'special relationship' with the last superpower.

Third rate beliefs from a third rate nation, dominated by militaristic has beens. The EIS which has caused the unnecessary death of thousands, people who have tortured and starved the Irish, the Iraqis, those in Borneo, in Kenya, those who constructed the World's first concentration camps, who instituted land clearances in Scotland and from whose Empire no one achieving freedom ever looked to return.

Now the reality of coming times:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/union-uk-set-b ... 40932.html

The weapons of the former EIS war machine slowly fall apart, their glorious armed forces decline and the workers face the reality of what has been visited on them.

"a crude colonial power in decline" indeed and good to see and enjoy.

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by kbcl1 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:46 am

Cormorant wrote:Utterly delicious, each and every one:

How sad that anyone would describe the "death" of a ship as delicious.

How sad that anyone would quote political propaganda, from a nation with a record of torturing and killing its own citizens.

Sad.

Yes, the English are good at that aren't they ? Torturing and killing its own citizens, that is.

IN 1897, 46,000 plumed and scrubbed troops marched through London to mark Queen Victoria's diamond jubilee. They were drawn from an empire that included over a quarter of the world's people. There was a camel corps from India, the Dyak police from Borneo, Muslim zaptiehs in their red fezzes, soldiers from Fiji, Egypt, Sierra Leone, Zanzibar and many more.

The correspondent of the French newspaper Figaro wrote, "Rome has been equalled, if not surpassed by the power which in Canada, Australia, India, in the China Seas, in Egypt, Central and Southern Africa, in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean rules the peoples and governs their interests." This was the empire "on which the sun never set"-and on which the blood never dried.

At the start of the 20th century there was arrogant confidence that Britain would always rule. Lord Curzon believed that it was "carved in granite and hewn in the Rock of Doom that the noble work of governing India had been placed by inscrutable providence on the shoulders of the British race."

As the arch-imperialist Cecil Rhodes boasted, "To be born British was to draw a winning ticket in life's lottery." Yet just 65 years after Victoria's parade almost all the empire territories had gone from British rule and were governed by their own peoples. India became independent in 1947, Burma in 1948, Ghana and Malaya in 1957, and Nigeria in 1960.

The British Empire did not really reach its high point until the 1850s, with the conquest of the whole of northern India and the 1890s when it extended its rule right through Africa. So the empire lasted a mere 100 years. The Roman Empire lasted four times as long.

Britain had secured its territory through murder, bribery and terror. Machine-guns gave the imperialists military superiority over the "natives" in Africa and elsewhere. At the Battle of Omdurman in 1898 the British lost 48 men, while 11,000 Sudanese were slaughtered and another 14,000 died later from their wounds.

Winston Churchill, later to be prime minister, described how "this kind of war was full of fascinating thrills. Nobody expected to be killed. To the great mass of those who took part in the little wars of Britain in those vanished light-hearted days, this was only a sporting element in a splendid game." This "game" involved episodes like the burning of Benin City in 1897, with some 20,000 people killed.

There were successive famines in India from the 1880s to the 1940s, when the British allowed more than 12 million people to starve to death while food stocks were exported. There was also the near extinction of the indigenous populations of Tasmania, New Zealand and Australia.

The conquered territories provided rich pickings. British firms were able to plunder raw materials and labour, make profitable investments and sell their products. The empire also poured human material into the British war machine. India sent a million men to fight for Britain in the 1914-18 war, and a further two million in the 1939-45 war.

Britain started to come under economic pressure from its rivals at the end of the 20th century. Both Germany and the US were beating Britain in terms of manufacturing output by 1913. But the key factor in ending the empire was a series of colonial revolts. In 1916-21 there was a succession of rebellions in Ireland. In 1919 there was a near uprising in India and Egypt. In the 1930s there were revolts in the West Indies and Palestine.

In 1942 the Quit India movement shook the subcontinent. Winston Churchill commented that he had not become prime minister "to preside over the dismemberment of the empire". But the heroic resistance meant that a few years after the Second World War most of the British ruling class grudgingly recognised that they could not hang on to the empire indefinitely.

Britain was finally forced out of India in 1947 after a naval mutiny, demonstrations and strikes. But some of the evil of empire lived on. Two of the great flashpoints in the modern world have their roots in what the British rulers did as they left. They partitioned India into two countries-India and Pakistan. This led to the forced migration of some 17 million people and the slaughter of around one million in the communal fighting that followed. In Palestine the Israeli settler state grabbed nearly 78 percent of the land from the Palestinians.

Neither Labour nor Tory governments were prepared to give up control of the heart of the empire. Herbert Morrison, Labour's deputy leader, used racist language to justify hanging on to Africa.

He said that to grant African colonies independence would be "like giving a child of ten a latchkey, a bank account and a shotgun". Malaya was the most profitable part of the empire. The British had imported rubber plants to Malaya in 1877. They dragooned locals and imported labour to clear the jungle for plantations.

By the 1940s and 50s Malaya provided a third of the world's natural rubber and tin. To hang on to this prize for as long as possible the British used the utmost brutality against the independence movement. Some 24 Chinese villagers were murdered by Scots Guards at Batang Kali in December 1948. The British systematically covered up the truth about these killings for 22 years.

Around 250,000 British and Commonwealth troops were sent to Malaya to smash the freedom fighters, who numbered about 5,000. But they could not quell the resistance. Eventually a compliant ruler was found and elections were rushed through. The British allowed this ruler to institutionalise ethnic privileges for one section of society which led to bitter tension.

In Kenya in 1945 some 3,000 European settlers owned 43,000 square kilometres of the most fertile land. They only bothered to cultivate 6 percent of it while the 5.25 million African population were reduced to poverty. The whites lived a life of opulent ease, pampered by servants and worried only by which party to attend next.

Members of the Kikuyu group formed an organisation called the Land Freedom Association dedicated to taking back their land. It became known as the Mau Mau. The British tried to crush the movement by creating zones where any African could be shot on sight. Rewards were offered to the units that produced the largest number of corpses. Vast numbers of people were taken from their land and either penned in closed concentration camps or put in "protected villages" where their movements were severely restricted. But again the revolt triumphed.

The British were forced to release their detainees after an outcry at the appalling treatment. Within three years Jomo Kenyatta was leader of an independent Kenya.

The last attempt by the British to maintain their empire was in Suez in 1956-an attack upon Egypt. The failure of that military adventure announced the abandonment of the rest of the empire. It was the feeling that the era of empire had passed which led Tory prime minister Harold Macmillan to tell the South African apartheid parliament in 1960:

"The wind of change is blowing through this continent and whether we like it or not the growth of national consciousness is a political fact." By the 1980s only Hong Kong, Northern Ireland and a scattering of small islands remained.

Brutality was the true face of that empire. Far from being a helping hand to the people it ruled, the British Empire held them back and dispensed routine bloodshed. Its demise was a great victory for freedom everywhere. What had seemed all powerful was defeated-that should give us hope against imperialism today.


Proud of the EIS Cormorant and others ?

"What sort of men and women have we in Ireland ? I thought valor died with Pearse, Plunkett and McDonagh; I was afraid that integrity was of casualty of war against the evil English. I was wrong !" Terrance McSwiney 1921

eirigi !

Every drop of my Irish blood despises the EIS.

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by Cymro » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:49 am

kbcl1 wrote: This was the empire "on which the sun never set"
Only because God did not trust the English in the dark

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by kbcl1 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:55 am

Cymro wrote:
kbcl1 wrote: This was the empire "on which the sun never set"
Only because God did not trust the English in the dark
How very, very true. And if the Falkland Islanders wish to be English, then let them move to England !

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Post by kbcl1 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:58 am

"Many British believed (and still believe) that the era of Pax Britannica — a period of supposed world peace enforced by the formidable British armed forces from 1820 to 1914 — was justification enough for empire. Her navies and armies kept the peace, it was argued, where no one else could."

Excellent article from the USA outlining the truth about the evil English Empire:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php ... and-empire

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When they are at their finest. They still have not learned the lessons of their owned blood stained history, have they ?

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Re: "a crude colonial power in decline"

Post by pietercharles » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:51 am

kbcl1 wrote:
And if the Falkland Islanders wish to be English, then let them move to England !
I very much doubt whether they wish to be English, or would want to move to England.

The majority of the indigenous population are of Welsh and Scottish descent, and very proud of it they are too. I've been there and I met a lot of people who were only too ready to talk about their Celtic heritage. Good for them!

The islands are even named after the home of the Scottish kings, Falkland Palace. It's in Scotland.

The Senior Magistrate on the islands is a very proud Cornishman. He certainly won't wish to move to England.
Perish the thought.

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