Michael Joseph An Gof & Thomas Flamank

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Post by Srule » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:01 pm

[hunlef]
At that time, the Cornish were monoglot Cornish speakers

[coady]
Oh? Hun, what evidence do you base that on?

i am no historian and i do not have hard facts, but the logical assumption would be that in the late 1400's areas such as St Keverne would have been vastly monoglot Cornish speakers
i know personal opinion is not fact but it would seem a good bet

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Post by Hunlef » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:07 pm

Carew, writing in 1605, mentions that in his day, the Cornish language was in decline. However, the events of 1497 were a century earlier and it is a fair assumption that Cornish language was much more prevalent all over the Duchy but especially towards the west where St keverne is obviously situated.

This is confirmed by the famous quotation following the introduction of the detested Book of Common Prayer in 1549, ""And so we the Cornyshe men (wherof certen of us understande no Englysh) utterly refuse thys newe Englysh". Such a statement is strongly indicative that the general population of the Duchy was virtually monoglot in that period, with the exception of the land-owning English gentry.

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Post by Ellery » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:18 pm

I'm a decendant of William Antron who was supposed to have been one of the leaders under Angof and Flamank.

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Post by Ellery » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:40 pm

Flamank married Elizabeth Trelawnie and had a daughter called Jane who married Peter Fantleroy and had a daughter Margeret who married Robert Hill.

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Post by Frenchie » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:42 pm

William ANTRON (ca.1440-ex.1497)
of Sithney, Cornwall.


Son of William Antron of Antron, Cornwall. (H.P.p.14)
Had a son, Richard. (ibid.)


9 Dec. 1461 On a commission to arrest certain men in Cornwall.
(C.P.R.1446-52 p.101)
6 Jun. 1468 Collector of a tax in Cornwall. (C.F.R.1461-71 p.231)
1471 A jurer at Launceston. (H.P.p.14)
Jan. 1483 Sued for debt by John Arundel. (ibid.)
1491-2 M.P.Helston. (ibid.)
1497 He, Flammank and John Trevyfall of St.Madron led the
Cornish rising. (ibid.)
22 Jun. Executed. (ibid.)


antron1683 9/3/88

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Post by Ellery » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:55 pm

My grandad always knew his great grandmother was a Paynter. I found out the Paynters were the heirs of the Antrons and I saw William Antron mentioned in various history books.

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Post by Frenchie » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:34 pm


http://kris.rootschat.net/visitaionboscarne2.jpg



That link doesn't connect to an image, I think maybe it needs .htm on the end not .jpg

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Post by Nige999 » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:22 pm


William ANTRON (ca.1440-ex.1497)
of Sithney, Cornwall.




Ah Sithney, thats where I spent my early childhood.

And surfing for info. about my family name, I found a Flamank way back.

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Post by Ellery » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:14 am

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... index.html
For Flamanks decendants look under Flamank and Hill of Heligan p227

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Post by Celticwarrior » Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:55 pm

Myself and a friend are currently researching Micheal Joseph an gof and possibly penning a script for a movie?. I feel that this story is one that should be told. What do you all think id love to hear?

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Post by Ellery » Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:08 pm

I've thought for a long time that it would be a great story for a film!

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Post by Frenchie » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:30 pm

It has everything you need for a good movie. The underdogs, the big oppressive baddies, Brawn and brain of a blacksmith and a solicitor. A long march to London with lots of space to fill the movie with along the way, a big battle and a dramatic end with those famous last words.

Only down side is the sad ending of it all.

It wouldn't half raise the awareness of Cornwall though. I personally would start and finish the movie in the present day, with an old Cornish Man telling the story to a young child. That would allow more opportunity to present the modern day Cornish too - threatened future of the cornish kid type positive propaganda.. ;-) The story could start with the Cornish kid coming home from school with his english polluted history text book and being sent to his grand parents house to learn the real stuff. That's a good one..

The movie could end with the Cornish kid going out to play with his friends, acting like Angof, making flags and pretending to march to London. This would leave it open to a sequel that starts 20 years later with the grown up kid re-enacting a new battle with London in the present day, really political and full of all the current issues going on today. That would learn them..





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Post by Ellery » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:27 pm

Or a 1549 sequel.
Though it would have to be a Horror movie. :-O

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Post by Grum » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:46 pm


celticwarrior said:
Myself and a friend are currently researching Micheal Joseph an gof and possibly penning a script for a movie?. I feel that this story is one that should be told. What do you all think id love to hear?



I think you should do the storyboard and sell the idea to an anime company in Japan - they love stuff like that as well as british people, and the story does lend itself to the genre.

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