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Post by Morvran » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:14 pm

Spellyans is a moderated list for the polite and intellectual discussion of Cornish Orthography, with particular reference to how to make the next version of the SWF look more like KS. Troublemakers, suspected sockpuppets, rude persons and anyone who persistently disagrees with The Management get ejected. However :


Everson said:

A rodent of insignificant size pointed the following out: ...




Referring to a post from this list by our own dear Gocky.

A definite case of quiz custody the custard IMO

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NJAW said:

The texts written by native speakers should really be our only warrant.
To invoke revivalist practice is not, I believe, legitimate, since it
opens the door
to many mistakes.
Revivalist practice would legitimate yn kever *'about' with nouns,
huny to mean 'one',
the use of nefra in the past, etc., etc.

Until there is a community of really fluent speakers of Cornish (many
of them natives)
revivalist practice cannot properly be used as an argument.




So why do they waive this principle when it comes to pronunciation?

Illogical!






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Post by Evertype » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:09 pm

What do you care, Keith? You never asked to subscribe. In any case, taking into consideration the constant nastiness the Weaslet offers to me personally, I don't apologize.

We do not "waive this principle when it comes to pronunciation". We do, however, reject Ken George's reconstructed phonology as unlikely, as well as unused and impractical.

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Post by Evertype » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:56 pm

The phonology supported by KS is not a "hybrid". It is a dialect continuum.

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Post by Bardh » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:55 pm




NJAW said:

The texts written by native speakers should really be our only warrant.
To invoke revivalist practice is not, I believe, legitimate, since it
opens the door
to many mistakes.
Revivalist practice would legitimate yn kever *'about' with nouns,
huny to mean 'one',
the use of nefra in the past, etc., etc.

Until there is a community of really fluent speakers of Cornish (many
of them natives)
revivalist practice cannot properly be used as an argument.




So why do they waive this principle when it comes to pronunciation?

Illogical!

Yn gwiryonedh, nyns eus gansa marnas unn rewl: tarana erbynn ogas peub tra a vydh gwres gans mas rann an Gernewegoryon. Mes nyns yw henna ytho nowodhow dhyn.





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Post by Evertype » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:41 pm

What do you mean? You know perfectly well that there are words pronounced differently in RLC than in RMC. KS and the SWF both respect this continuum.

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Post by Marhak » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:17 am

It is interesting, even flattering, that the likes of Keith Bail-out and Jabbergocky keep tabs on the Spellyans list. We must be worrying them, or they wouldn't be there.

All Steve can do is parrot the Spellyans contributions on here. God, what a talent!



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Post by Marhak » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:52 am

Then you haven't been watching as much as I thought you had been. I contribute quite a lot where there is historic evidence within place-names. That's where my speciality is. I leave linguistics to the linguistic experts but, if place names can provide evidence, that's where I come in.

You also seem to forget that the Spellyans list consists of people from all persuasions, from UC to Late to KK.



edited by: marhak, Feb 16, 2009 - 11:53 PM

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Post by Evertype » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:41 am

Anyone who wishes to identify himself or herself by name and who wishes to discuss matters in a civil fashion is welcome on Spellyans.

Except Mr Reeves, who has exhibited bahaviour which marks him as pre-banned.

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Post by Morvran » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:43 am


gokyreloaded said:
all I am doing is bringing the debate to this list, where we can have a proper conversation, from ALL sides, not just the from the KS Kontinuum.




Ni yw an Kõňţĭņuùûùm, hwi oll a vydh assimilatyz ---

Bedhewgh kosel ha kavoez agas ystynnyansow diakrytyk ---

Strivyans yw Euver --- Strivyans yw Euver --- Strivyans yw Euver ...

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Post by Evertype » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:05 am

:roll:

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Post by Taran » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:13 am


where we can have a proper conversation, from ALL sides


:lol:

Its possible to do that far better in situ without the usual gibbering we get here.
Bringing stuff here has some limited utility however. It gets stuff talked about and allows us to take issues back to the list from those that refuse to engage civilly or personally, but that may still have a point, so thanks for that goky and morvran.

Even the pronouncements and opinions of anonymous online personas, once washed clean of any bile and vitriol, add to the debate.

It would be better if they engaged in person however. The spellyans list isn't KS, however the debate within it informs the progress of KS, as does it inform the process of identifying problems within the SWF, allowing the formulation of potential fixes to those identified issues.

A constructive process that no one else is openly engaging in.



edited by: Taran, Feb 17, 2009 - 12:13 PM

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