The Celtic roots of English

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The Celtic roots of English

Post by Fulub-le-Breton » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm

This lot gave me a good half hours read.

Brittonicisms in English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittonicisms_in_English

Words that derive from Cornish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_En ... om_Cornish

Lists of English words of Celtic origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_En ... tic_origin

No doubt the articles could be improved upon.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

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Post by Fulub-le-Breton » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:00 pm

Indeed Cormorant. Modern English is a real creole of a language. 29% of it being of French origin just to get up the noses of all the small minded Francophobes on this forum.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Marhak » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:29 pm

I don't know why someone bothered to invent Esperanto. English, as a mix of languages, does a rather better job than that, which is probably why it's done so well internationally.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by carrek » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:32 pm

I'd say it's got more to do with colonialism, imperialism and hegemony.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by factotum » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:04 am

Pity the English who have no language they can really call their own, just this international hodge-podge from everywhere and anywhere, used and abused the world over. Basically English was raped by the Normans and since then she's been anyone's girl. English long ago lost its self-respect to such an extent that it stopped growing form it's own roots, and turned to French, Latin and Greek instead. So much so that if anyone does coin new native formations, we all fall about laughing. The Welsh can speak and write Welsh amongst themselves, the Bretons, Breton, the Danish, Danish etc. But the poor godforsaken Englishman has no such linguistic private corner in which to think and debate and nurture his culture.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Marhak » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:52 pm

Ken George and I did this just the other day. We have the word "toponym" to mean place-names, but we couldn't find one to mean river-names. Ken came up with "hydronym", and I suggested "flumenym". He'd turned to Greek for his proposal while I'd gone for Latin!

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Post by Cormorant » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:21 pm

factotum wrote:Pity the English who have no language they can really call their own, just this international hodge-podge from everywhere and anywhere, used and abused the world over. Basically English was raped by the Normans and since then she's been anyone's girl. English long ago lost its self-respect to such an extent that it stopped growing form it's own roots, and turned to French, Latin and Greek instead. So much so that if anyone does coin new native formations, we all fall about laughing. The Welsh can speak and write Welsh amongst themselves, the Bretons, Breton, the Danish, Danish etc. But the poor godforsaken Englishman has no such linguistic private corner in which to think and debate and nurture his culture.


Have you heard yourself?

Yes, we should cherish any language and preserve any language, but to equate a language to the rape of a female?

Basically English was raped by the Normans and since then she's been anyone's girl.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Marhak » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:18 am

English is not yet the global language. It lies 4th or 5th in the league table list. You might find that Spanish is more widely spoken.

The English are those who call themselves English. Simples.
The Cornish are those who call themselves Cornish. Equally simples.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by t2 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:02 am

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Palores » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:35 am

Ken George and I did this just the other day. We have the word "toponym" to mean place-names, but we couldn't find one to mean river-names. Ken came up with "hydronym", and I suggested "flumenym". He'd turned to Greek for his proposal while I'd gone for Latin!
I think you'll find that hydronym is a genuine English word. It must have been made up by someone, but it wasn't Ken George.

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Cormorant » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:55 am

[quote="Marhak"]English is not yet the global language. It lies 4th or 5th in the league table list. You might find that Spanish is more widely spoken.


Depends where you look.

http://tinyurl.com/4nqsl

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by Cormorant » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:00 pm

List of languages by number of native speakers


http://tinyurl.com/oh4mj

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Re: The Celtic roots of English

Post by t2 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:13 pm

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