One Small Victory for Cornish?

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One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by factotum » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:00 am

I just stumbled on this, looks like a step in the right direction ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/ap ... ldren-book

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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by Jenny » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:23 am

Why not sign up for the MAGA newsletter, factotum? It's free, and then you could keep yourself informed and stay bang up to date instead of stumbling across stuff the rest of us have known about for months if not years.

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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by factotum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:31 pm

Because I have no confidence that Maga exists for the long-term good of the language or for Cornwall (with every respect for those working there, no doubt in most cases with the best of intentions). The underlying politics are clear enough though, take over the functions of the existing voluntary bodies and then quietly run them down, weaken the 'revival' by playing divide-and-rule, divert as much funding as possible into promoting pointless squabbles and every sort of tokenism. There is nothing that poisons a voluntary movement quicker than paying salaries to just a few 'key' people. Nothing that kills genuine curiosity faster than the 'education' system. Nothing that stifles initiative more effectively than putting 'government' in charge.

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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by Anselm » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:54 am

Disagree about education, but take your general point.
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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by factotum » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:07 pm

I wonder if anyone knows what the situation actually is now. The major 'bribe' to get the various bodies co-opted to MAGA's agenda was the carrot of substantially more funding combined with 'Cornish in the schools'. More perhaps hints than actual promises though. You only need to look to the IoM, much smaller than Cornwall and not so long ago in a similar position regarding its language; no native speakers, just a few folks going to classes etc. And yet in the last 10-15 years they have made real solid progress. So what if anything has changed here in Cornwall? It's a good few years now since Cornish was recognised by the government and several since the SWF was established (although that was a problem of their own making), Are there any official figures showing a increase in Cornish language provision in the education system? Remember there always were a few teachers giving Cornish lessons, the question is, has the situation changed substantially since recognition?

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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by Anselm » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:57 pm

Gorthybow, mar plek, war gartenn bost ...
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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by factotum » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:48 pm

Hag yn kettermyn arte y'n ransh-ji ... or rather on the Spelly list, which has once again burst into activity ... the natives are restless. And I can see their point, MAGA are not taking the SWF review at all seriously and simply seem to be trying to brush the whole matter under the carpet as quickly as possible. The Spellyans crew complain about secrecy, people are being invited to comment about issues without really being told what those issues are. This surely means that MAGA just want to "go through the motions" and have no real commitment to develop a practical orthography that everyone can use. It reminds me of how the Commission report was cooked up in total secrecy without even the main organisations getting advanced copies so that they could give reasoned and considered responses. This was in complete contradiction to how the Processes had been described. The Process that people agreed to included several stages of consultation, that is two-way dialogue, but none of these took place. Also I might also mention in passing that we were promised that all the submissions would be archived and made publicly available once the Process was over. Have they? I very much doubt it. All this by the way is on record in black and white, so don't go saying I'm inventing it.

Anyway they ruled that a new orthography was required, and seemed to think this could be quickly cobbled together, even though specialists in orthography design (and there are a good many of them) generally agree that such a move should never be undertaken lightly, and generally expect it to take several years. This makes me wonder how expert the Commission's 'experts' really were in this rather specialist field. So now the years have passed, the system should have bedded in, and a review is due. One thing that comes up in the literature over and over is the need to evaluate any proposed spelling system, ideally impartially, with samples of its target users. Can they read and write it easily and accurately, does its appearance simply turn them off, and so on. Because, as must be pretty obvious, a system which people either cannot or will not use, is going to be a complete waste of everyone's time and effort, not to mention public money.

So, who has been hired to do the evaluations of the SWF? Where is their report? What are their recommendations? Naturally I might as well be asking for the moon on a stick, because none of these things have been done, or even seriously contemplated. That is because the people controlling the CLP do not take the language seriously, there just isn't the political will to move things on.

And so again, and with all due respect to MAGA's employees at the sharp end, that is why I have no confidence in the Cornish Language Partnership. All it seems to do is tie the language movement up in knots and divert what funds there are into trivial issues of their own devising. Perhaps that was it's purpose all alone, but then again it might just be an almighty cock-up, a county council is hardly equipped to revive a nation's language.

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Re: One Small Victory for Cornish?

Post by Anselm » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:18 pm

Yn gwiryonedh, i a gollas spyrys a les yn kever herdhya aga drogoberow warnan kyns dell wrussyn ni. Ny dal perthi poenvotter y'ga hever. Gwell dhyn ni pesya ow tevnydhya agan yeth agan honan herwydh agan gisyow agan honan.
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'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
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